Learning and knowledge LO6533

Peter Pflaum (pflaump@msn.com)
Tue, 9 Apr 96 12:16:54 UT

Replying to LO6504 --

The teachers of Socrates - about 500 or 5000 BCE, there are three levels
of reality - the physical, the language and the "really-real". There are
the things themselves and the names we call them but the essences of
things gives them meaning ( beyond the current social conventions ). Since
people see and use different terms - there is a tower of babble - no one
knows what they are talking about - or they may mean something different
from what I hear. To have contact over time about "important" things we
have to experience them in somewhat the same way. There is a universal
experience in being - beyond our words. The nature of things is universal,
and we are within that nature. The path to learning is the verbal mystery,
better felt in sound, images, physical practice, and in stories and myths
( poems of the soul ). Now I know what I am talking about but unless you
remember your own connection to the soul.. you can't understand and may
not be interested. Bacon came from the Sufi tradition out of Spain (
Raymond Lull ) that made a science of knowledge.

From: learning-org-approval@world.std.com on behalf of Andrew Moreno
Sent: Monday, April 08, 1996 6:49 AM
Subject: Learning and knowledge LO6504

Replying to LO6486 --

On Sun, 7 Apr 1996 ParetoKid@aol.com wrote:

> The term "knowledge era" may be useful but when do we date it's beginning.
> Sir Francis Bacon is listed in Bartlett's as the one who coined the
> phrase: "Knowledge is power." So does the knowledge era begin in the later
> 1600's? Someone on this list, I am sure, will be able to tell us who said
> that when you name a thing/idea you kill it or at least box it in so it
> can't continue to grow. The point is, that as soon as we name this the
> knowledge era, we set in motion its end, or at least a hundred
> competitors.

I think knowledge is on another logical level from information.
Information about information is knowledge.

I don't know who said "when you name..." but I think Gregory Bateson wrote
about another set of logical levels - a name is not the thing being named.

Andrew Moreno
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