What are organizations for? LO6467

Andrew Moreno (amoreno@broken.ranch.org)
Fri, 5 Apr 1996 23:47:09 -0800 (PST)

Replying to LO6370 --

On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Dr Ilfryn Price wrote:

> Yet again I agree but the individual/ wider society issue that you and I
> have dialogued on before comes into play. Tom Lloyd [The Nice Company
> 1990] has a slant on your question. If enough of us demand of our own
> brokers/ mutual funds/ unit trusts etc. etc. investment in Learning/
> ethical/ 'green'/ whatever corporations then their cost of capital falls
> as they have a preferential source. This then gives said companies a
> source of advantage and - in theory - sets up positive feedback. Ethical
> investment in other words - tried if I recall with some success in regard
> to South Africa a few years ago.

I think that this is very tricky.

I don't think throwing money at corporations, whether they are green or
ethical or not, will develop double-loop learning. [Probably the best we
can hope for in companies is double loop learning].

If a "green" fund is going to throw money at a company, I think they would
need to select the company's they fund according to pre-established and
well defined criteria - "green-ness" as well as future viability [unless
throwing money at organizations with no regard to "return" is warranted -
see below].

Maybe an idea is to set up an anonymous foundation that will anonymously
give money to companies/individuals/organizations that meet those
criteria [the reason it has to be anonymous is that anonymity would
possibly circumvent the set of system archetypes involved in funding
that are based on power relationships - the same system archetypes
that usually make it not a good idea to go into business with friends, or
at least to make sure things are very, very well defined].

> It seems IMSO to need a critical mass of
> individual we's prepared to put our personal money where our [stated]
> mouths are something easier to achieve if we feel we are part of a
> collective endeavour [and therefor feel a better chance of individual
> success].

I think that this critical mass that has a shared result in mind, if
they are going to invest money, should maintain each person's local
control - not investing with each other - while making sure they have
_shared criteria in relevant contexts_ for the companies tha
[Maybe there's a way around the double binds, but I don't know. Usually
"investment clubs" are taken over by the person with a certain

[Please excuse the colloquial phrase "throw money" - one of my values is
getting maximum results with minimum external resources - so I literally
think of the investors that I've turned down as "throwing money" at me.]

Andrew Moreno


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