Conversational Pardigms LO5955

Julie Beedon (
Sat, 02 Mar 1996 13:59:36

Replying to LO5912 --

>Francis offered,
>>words like re-engineering are basically invented

>and invited
>>inventing a language that will cause an LO to arise
>Francis, I accept the invitation and agree the power of the assertion that
>transformation begins with new language [ new conversation would be my

I have been thinking about this some more prompted mostly by something my
husband Dave said in a mailing after I forward the original posting in
this thread:

>interaction between groups, organisations, or individuals at a
scientific, philosophical, or other heuristic level sometimes
(often?) leads to the emergence of - at times -
unforeseen/unintended patterns of comprehension. Out of dynamic=
clutter emerges epistemological patterns - often at the same point
in time but in different contexts.Once emerged, the epistemological
pattern begs to be described. As communicational beings we have a
need, especially when encountering or experiencing
enlightenment/revelation, to want to articulate the
encounter/experience. Although the epistemological pattern may
merely be the sum total of previous knowledge re-configured (who
knows?) it apprehends one as a new reality or window on reality.
Such an encounter / experience unavoidably leads to the employment
of language and when current language fails to do justice to the
pattern neologisms cry out to be coined (especially in the
scientific field of enquiry). It seems to me therefore that the
encounter / experience is a priori to the requirement to develop
our language further. *************end quote***************

So what does that say about the lack of new language on this list
as perceived by Francis in his original posting ...?? are we looking
for new language or new uses of old language .....? - for example I
see dialogue afresh since reading the Senge fieldbook beautiful
explanations of its roots... possibly we may need to go back to
the roots of words as well as coining new ones...

and does transformation begin with new language ... or does the
experience of transfomation leave us wanting new ways of
describing the experience ...

>Re-engineering' triumphed, perhaps by contingency, as much as
>design or inherent 'fitness'.

and did re-engineering per se triumph .. or just the term as the
new word which most often described the experience which people felt
they had been through .. something more than process
improvement/review/innovation or simplification - perhaps people
felt more than processes had been affected...

I am now wondering if that is why the term *Total* stuck so well and
is so often attached to Deming based change programmes (even though
he wished to be disassociated with TQM as a term) because total was
a word which best described people's appreciation of the
transformation which was required and the new mind-sets which were

my preferred term for what I feel all this stuff is about
at the moment is 'whole system' .. because it conjures up so much
of what I believe I have learnt (my enlightenment/revalation!) over
the last few years...

.... anyone else got terms which they like to use to describe their
learning or expereinces (emlightenments/revelations)?? perhaps that
will uncover some of the neologisms Francis was expecting....

Julie Beedon
VISTA Consulting - for a better future


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