Information access and flow LO11592

John Zavacki (
Sat, 28 Dec 1996 15:15:56 -0500

Replying to LO11571 --

This thread, like many others, deals with the possible results of notions
such as hierarchy, control, and the like. We talk about what these things
CAN lead to, what they have historically lead to, and then we look at them
as the cause. As systems thinkers, we have to do better than that, don't

Hierarchy, command, and control, bosses, and departments are not bad in
and of themselves. It is the turf wars, the ladder climbing at all costs,
and the behaviors exhibited within the organization which are not
productive. I've worked in very happy, very productive factories where we
maintained departments and even a bureaucracy. It is the way we think,
our shared values, and the principles and values of the individuals which
make up organizational behavior, not organizational charts and tool sets.
The progression from discovery to knowledge to practice to wisdom and the
healthy collective does not rely on structure.

John Zavacki
The Wolff Group

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