Robert Bacal wrote:
>Sherri, the problem with answering your questions is their hidden
>presuppositions. The questions presupplose that John and I are threatened,
>and presuppose that I want to put an end to the discussion.
>
>First Sherri, I don't believe that I have said anything of the sort,
>though I could be wrong. And I must admit to being a tad miffed at what I
>see as a huge leap in drawing conclusions.
>
>So, I can't answer your questions, because they are based on inaccurate
>conclusions you have drawn..now, to explore the source would be
>interesting...what has lead you to believe that I want to end the
>conversation...etc?
John clearly stated that people should not be writing such very personal
stuff -- I didn't keep the message so I am afraid I cannot quote him
directly -- and you agreed with him. No jump to conclusion there. Most
of the posts -- if not all, were personal -- I would say that is trying to
end the conversation.
In terms of feeling threatened -- that is a conclusion on my part. It ties
in with my mental model that men have difficulty discussing deep emotions
in private let alone public places. You were two men who were trying to
take the emotion out of the conversation. Plus, my observations are that
both you and John keep all of your postings in the intellectual domain --
preferring that over emotion. Again -- it's not wrong that you choose
that. Just let others have a different choice.
>Perhaps this would give us an opportunity to explore communication
>principles.
>
>> Although I doubt others will write in now that they
>> have been judged as wrong or naive for actually saying what they feel or
>> are experiencing.
>
>I am very offended by this comment.
I guess we are both offended then Robert because I felt offended when a
very real conversation was interrupted and almost ended by John and you.
The message to me was that I would get unwelcome overtures based on my
posting (this is the naive part), or I would become damaged by something
that was written to me (this is the wrong to share my experiences/feelings
in this forum).
My sense is that people with depression need to tell their story too. And
not just to a professional care person. I think it helps to read and hear
how others are feeling and coping. Is that counseling -- I don't put it
in that category -- maybe I am wrong. But I think the human spirit is
crying out for more -- more from work and more from each other.
Someone said that a cause of depression is isolation -- we are making
connections here. This list is filled with people who I have found for
the most part to be extremely sensitive and caring. That is, I suspect,
why Rick took the risk he did with this thread because the integrity here
is high. For that I thank Rick for what he has created and I thank all of
those involved for being who they are.
Sherri
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