Re: Tools for complexity LO497

Myrna Casebolt (CASEBMJ@WP.DHSS.STATE.WI.US)
Tue, 21 Mar 1995 07:54:49 -0600

<<<re: reply to LO487 ...argument by quotes>>>
<<<<>>>how do we go from slinging match to learning process>>>>>>

I see them as saying the same things. The question is the study and
exploration point in both quotes, don't you think? I kind of liked that
the same point was being made both ways. It's sort of like we think we
have a certain problem and then the medicine is not curing the problem so,
we think that maybe we need a new medecine, rather than look at our
assumptions about the problem. The points in the two quotes for me are
analagous to the problem refusing to go away because, since it has not
been identified, it cannot be dealt with. So, it "fights back"....

I think there is much to be learned over and over again....like
resolution...we never really resolve anything do we? We only learn how to
re-solve over and over again. Hopefully, each time, we get closer to a
collective intelligence and wholistic mentality. Competing should be left
for manifistation in planned activities such as sports or games. When
relating with one another, the emphasis should be on the "with"....don't
you think?

I think we would be well served to focus on common areas of comfort and
ease into other areas as we go. I keep getting back to this almost
insatiable need we seem to have for control. Control is only a
perception, allusion, illusion anyway....so why is it so critical for us?
I think your question is such a good one Gray; it stimulates so many very
essential thoughts regarding learning and the 5 disciplines and the
"quantum" nature of all things. Thanks much.......Myrna

Myrna J. Casebolt
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Department of Health and Social Services
Division of Care and Treatment Facilities
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>>> GRAY SOUTHON <gsouthon@ozemail.com.au> 03/20/95 06:15am

Here we have a situation of arguement by quote. We have two
diametically opposite ones

"If you can't find an answer, you have probably got the wrong question."

from GSouthon@ozemail.com.au (Gray Southon)

and

Problems worthy of attack, prove their worth by fighting back

From: deb@Alceon.com (David E. Burmaster)

How do we change this from a slinging match to a learning process?
Any ideas?

Gray Southon