Re: Dialog - A Note & a Bibliography LO495

Richard Burg (raburg@well.com)
Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:45:04 -0800

>Replying to LO463, A. Kleiner

>On Peter Senge's models of Dialogue: Peter borrowed (with credit)
>much of the material from Bill Isaacs and other researchers/
>practitioners associated with The Dialog Project and the DiaLogos
>Institute in Cambridge, MA.

As I understand the evolution, both Bill Isaacs and Peter Senge were both
inspired to create a dialogue practise in support of the Learning
Organization through their experience with David Bohm. I have an online
copy of "Dialogue: A Proposal" by David Bohm, Donald Factor, and Peter
Garrett. I transcribed this from paper. If you are interested in it,
please e-mail me directly. I will ask about permission to distribute it
electronically.

Art Kleiner referenced the booklet _On Dialogue_. It was published in
Ojai, California by David Bohm Seminars, P.O. Box 1452, 93023. Routledge,
a publisher in NY, is planning to republish it, with additional material,
including an extenive 'map' to the history of David's investigations that
led to Dialogue. Bohm's work with Dialogue was in a form that is sometimes
referred to as "non-contingent" - he saw the process as one convened
without a purpose, beyond examining "thought" arising in a group of 20 to
40 people.

A series of talks which David gave in Ojai has been transcribed and
published by Routledge as _Thought as a System_. It is available in
bookstores in the UK and the US now.
[Host's Note: ISBN 0-415-11980 hbk, ISBN 0-415-11030 paperbk]

The use of Dialogue in organizations is a variation and departure from
Bohm's intention. Bohm sought to challenge the epistemology of our
relationship to the world. His suggestion was that the 'solutions' to
problems in the world are as much artifacts of the source of the
'problems', as the 'problems' themselves. Until we can stop and look at
thought, we can not halt the ongoing introduction of actions which failed
to see the whole. His proposal draws heavily, but indirectly, on his work
as a quantum physicist, the work of an English psychoanalyst, Patrick
deMare, author of _Koinonia_ and a long and deep relationship with the
educator, J. Krishnamurti.

I have attached a casual bibliography of references on Dialogue prepared
for a 1993 National OD Network Pre-conference Workshop. A group which has
been engaged in the experiment proposed by Bohm for nearly five years
invited conferees to join them in a weekend of dialogue. And A. Kleiner
mentioned that the Fieldbook has material on Dialogue.

A Casual Bibliography
Referencing David Bohm and Dialogue

_Wholeness and the Implicate Order_, David Bohm, New York: Arc Paperbacks,
1983.

_Unfolding Meaning: A Weekend of Dialogue with David Bohm_, David Bohm,
New York: Arc Paperbacks, 1987.

_The Ending of Time_, David Bohm and J. Krishnamurti, San Francisco:
Harper and Row, 1985.

_Science, Order, and Creativity_, David Bohm and F. David Peat, New York:
Bantam, 1987.

_Changing Consciousness_, David Bohm and Mark Edwards, San Franscisco:
HarperSanFrancisco, 1991.

_On Dialogue_, David Bohm, from David Bohm Seminars, P.O. Box 1452, Ojai,
CA 93023.

_The Fifth Discipline_, Peter Senge, New York: Doubleday, 1990.

_Fifth Generation Management_, Charles M. Savage, Maynard, MA: Digital
Press, 1990.

_Stewardship: Choosing Service Over Self-Interest_, Peter Block, San
Francisco: Barrett-Koehler, 1993.

_Koinonia: From Hate, through Dialogue, to Culture in the Large Group_,
Patrick de Mare', New York: Karnac Books, 1991.

"Dialogue: The Power of Collective Thinking", William Isaac, The System
Thinker, V.4, No.3, Cambridge: Pegasus Communications, 1993.

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1. David Bohm Seminars in Ojai distributes audio tapes, video tapes,
transcripts of seminars and conversations, and several book length
monographs by David Bohm.

2. "The System Thinker" is a monthly newsletter published by Pegasus
Communications, Cambridge, MA.
[Host's Note: pegasus@world.std.com]

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