F I D O N E W S -- Vol.12 No. 3 (16-Jan-1995)
============================================================ Cutting Edge UFO and Science Information Hmmm..... What _is_ all the fuss about anyway? What fuss you say? Well, if you are into the UFO phenomenon, and you monitor Fido echoes that cover that topic, then you would have seen a big FUSS that started the very day that a new 'kid' hit the block. Last May, 1994, the I_UFO echo hit the backbone, and the attacks began from the start. First there were accusations of "She told everyone it was on the backbone before it really was... we oughta start a policy complaint against her". Say What? Later, they recant, "oh our Fidonet.NA was the wrong date, sorry". But the story is still repeated as if true, seven months later. So, what _is_ the problem? Why, I_UFO is just another echo..... Guess there is more to it than that. Then within the first few weeks of the new echo trying to get settled in, comes the barrage of "skeptic approved" articles. Now, I understand that for some, being a skeptic is the exact same thing as a religion. To some skeptics, saying you believe in Extra-terrestrials, is like calling their Momma a dog in heat. So, during the bombing run of skeptic articles, I say, "um, excuse me, this area does not allow ridiculing people who have had UFO related experiences. Will you please stop posting the skeptic magazine articles?" Figure if you ask nice, you can get results. Naw. No. No. No. See the point is, either I_UFO comes under control of the Net-UFO-censors and their cronies, or I_UFO can't be. Oh, that was the choice alright, only it took me about four months to realize that destroying I_UFO by any means possible was the real intent and goal. But again, it begs the question, Why? Who'd'a'thunk that the UFO topic was that touchy a subject? Apparently to some, it is, when it involves views that they do not agree with. But, what happened to, "if you don't like an echo, bone your own"? Well, I did that, so now why have I had to suffer this relentless abuse for EIGHT SOLID MONTHS! By the fourth month, I had done all that I could, to reason with these handful of annoying antagonizers, and I banned the whole lot of them in one fell swoop; branding them "excessively annoying". Oh Boo! Hoo! The cry-babies have been whining ever since, and they wage their attacks in the other UFO areas; actively coercing net-users, with their inflamed, and fabrication-filled rhetoric, not to participate in I_UFO. But, again, I say, WHY? Then, I catch one of them, a moderator of a Fido echo, implementing a publicly-admitted plan of "attack" against a user in I_UFO; which attack he waged, for over two weeks, and I SUSPENDED him for 90 days. Guess what he did? He announces that he is gonna file a policy complaint to have me removed as Moderator of my own echo! He cites a handful of meaningless, and trumped up charges, and starts the ball of flames rolling again in his echo. SHEESH! If this doesn't take the cake? Why is I_UFO such a threat to these people? Will someone explain this? So, then he posts in I_UFO, violating his suspension, so I BAN him forever. OH MY GOD! An irate SysOp says he won't allow his users to post in I_UFO. A new kind of censorship, I guess. A couple of weeks later, everyone realizes his policy complaint would not hold water; this from a SysOp and Moderator. Then he posts in I_UFO again. Well, I guess we _have_ to ask to have his feed cut; so much for the honor system. You would think it would be all over by now, but these people will not be satisfied until I_UFO is not a Fidonet echo; that much is clear. The discussions they are flaming nowadays might well be moderated in a FLAME echo. The lies they make up and say about people are the products of sick-minds! This situation is more than echo-politics, or echo-rivalries, or even ego-wars. These people are sick! They work feverishly to persuade anyone who will believe them, not to read the I_UFO echo. Well, that begs the same ole question; WHY? Well, I have one idea. We have a lot of cutting-edge information in the I_UFO echo. These people act like censors, in that they do not want net-users to see anything that would disagree with their view of reality. I told ya, it is like a religion with them. All I and anyone who uses I_UFO, want, is to be left alone. It is just a message echo, for Pete's Sake! Grow Up! You can't control all the Science and UFO information in FidoNet! Nor Politics and Religion! Areafix I_UFO to see not only the great info we share, but also the pleasant atmosphere we keep for people to share all viewpoints related to UFO's and New Science. So, if you have a mind of your own, and can think on your own, and don't need ufo-net-censors to tell you what to believe, check I_UFO out, where you can post your views without being ridiculed. Glenda Stocks I_UFO Co-Moderator 1:330/201
Nine months later, in September 1995, I noticed that Don Allen, the moderator of the UFO echo, was fishing for more supporters of his anti-I_UFO campaign, in another echo on Fidonet. Don had posted a hypothetical situation in the Z1_BACKBONE echo. In this echo, all the people who move fidonet echo-mail discuss fidonet backbone issues. Don was asking their advice on whether a moderator action was fair or not. In Don's proposed scenario, he attempted to outline a situation that closely matched one in which I had banned a user from our I_UFO echo. Don used cryptic names in his message, like echo-A and echo-B, but of course, I knew that he meant his UFO echo, and my I_UFO echo. I realized immediately that Don was beginning another attempt to have the people who move fidonet mail, censor the I_UFO echo. In order to pre-empt Don's agenda, I wrote my second article for the Fidonews. Here is that article:
FRED RICE's rebuttal was in 12-9 on 2/27/95 361 lines I_UFO/SNETNEWS - Can't Touch This!! Hullo Snoooooooozers! In snooze 12-03 of 01/16/95 I submitted an article decrying my suffering as a Moderator in Fidonet, at the hands of a concerted effort to destroy my echo from the moment it hit the FidoNet Backbone. I have an update, now, for snooze readers, about a happy ending _and_ another new beginning! But first, I scanned the succeeding issues of FidoNews to see if there were any rebuttals. It seems the perpetrators whom I had described in scathing terms, chose not to reply. Hmmm... Admission of guilt, perhaps? Oh yes, there was a reply, however, from a Skeptic, who wrote an overly long, and stuffy article about why he thinks better than anyone else; and he doesn't even realize that CSICOP is the one that is a religious cult, not I_UFO! Well, since Frederic Rice put me to sleep with his long-winded believe-me-cuz-scientists-are-always-right article, maybe the snooze can squeeze a long one in for me. It has been 9 months, and we had a BABY! Before I tell you the good news of our echo's success story, allow me to recap a little of my previous article which I will quote and to which I will add the latest developments. GS> Hmmm..... What _is_ all the fuss about anyway? What fuss GS> you say? Well, if you are into the UFO phenomenon, and GS> you monitor Fido echoes that cover that topic, then you GS> would have seen a big FUSS that started the very day that GS> a new 'kid' hit the block. Last May, 1994, the I_UFO echo GS> hit the backbone, and the attacks began from the start. Most of the attacks WITHIN I_UFO were stopped when the last of the mind-control-net-censors were banned from I_UFO. Their last bastion was a moderator of a rival UFO related echo, who thought he still had a middle of the road reputation, and _some_ credibility, but alas, when he showed everyone his implementation of his admitted attack styles against a user in I_UFO, I figured enough was enough. Since that time, and up to this very MOMENT, the attacks continue, but not inside I_UFO. Now for a quick run-down of their goals and tactics. Please keep in mind that this psychological campaign is STILL being waged, right in your UFO related echos. GS> ...the point is, either I_UFO comes under control of the GS> Net-UFO-censors and their cronies, or I_UFO can't be. GS> ...destroying I_UFO by any means possible was the real GS> intent and goal. GS> ...they wage their attacks in the other UFO areas; GS> actively coercing net-users, with their inflamed, and GS> fabrication-filled rhetoric, not to participate in I_UFO. GS> ...He announces that he is gonna file a policy complaint GS> to have me removed as Moderator of my own echo! GS> ...these people will not be satisfied until I_UFO is not GS> a Fidonet echo; that much is clear. GS> This situation is more than echo-politics, or GS> echo-rivalries, or even ego-wars. ...They work feverishly GS> to persuade anyone who will believe them, not to read the GS> I_UFO echo. 9 Months Later....... Well? They are still at it. Do you EVEN believe something like this is possible? Come on, now. A little robust competition is one thing, but I tell you there has GOT to be more to it than that. Maybe it is because I am female? Hmm... Maybe. No, in the growing climate in this country of conspiracy theories, government crackdown on subversives, terorists and anti-govt. sentiments, there is the possibility that discussions of UFO related topics in fidonet might come under the scrutiny of those who monitor "national security" interests. Think I am kidding? Paranoid? Get yourself informed, eh. Psychological Operations; PSY-OPS for short. Oh, it is real, and DOCUMENTED; for you scientists out there (ok, Fred?). But is it REAL on FidoNet? THE AVIARY The documentation on this group called the Aviary is too long for this article, but I will show you a few pieces to the puzzle. I will also show you a few parts of a public message posted by the leader of the FidoNet group against our I_UFO echo; let's call him Mr. X. First, some info on the Aviary: > In his book, Out There, the New York Times journalist > Howard Blum refers to "a UFO Working Group" within the > Defense Intelligence Agency. Despite DIA's repeated > denials, the existence of this working group has been > confirmed to me by more than one member of the group > itself, including an independent source in the Office of > Naval Intelligence. The majority of the group's members > are senior members of the AVIARY: > Dr Christopher Green (BLUEJAY) from the CIA, Harold > Puthoff (OWL), ex-NSA; Dr Jack Verona (RAVEN), DoD, one > of the initiators of the DlA's Sleeping Beauty project > which aimed to achieve battlefield superiority using > mind-altering electromagnetic weaponry; John Alexander > (PENGUIN); and Ron Pandolphi (PELICAN). Remember the names of John Alexander and Ron Pandolphi. > ...Immediately after the publication of that paper, and > with the full knowledge that myself and a handful of > colleagues knew the true identities of their members, > John B. Alexander confessed that he was indeed a member > of the AVIARY, nicknamed PENGUIN. The accuracy of our > information was further confirmed to me by yet another > member of the AVIARY--Ron Pandolphi, PELICAN. > ...Alexander and C. B. Jones are members of the AVIARY, a > group of intelligence and Department of Defense officers > and scientists with a brief to discredit any serious > research in the UFO field. Each member of the Aviary > bears a bird's name. > Pandolphi is a PhD in physics and works at the Rocket and > Missile section of the Office of the Deputy Director of > Science and Technology, CIA. And now part of a public posting by MR. X himself, who will stop at nothing to destroy I_UFO (his bird name, must be BIRD-BRAIN!): MX> I called up George Hansen and asked him about the MX> information and apparently, Victorian in his usual style MX> sends the article around to quite a few people and Hansen MX> was one of those people. Someone had posted an article on the nets by this guy named Victorian, which attacked John Alexander. MX> I also called up Ron Pandolfi at the Science & Technology MX> Directorate at CIA to get some background about MX> Victorian's FOIA requests... MX> I realize that for a Ufologist to speak with a member of MX> the CIA is similar in perception to a Christian talking MX> to the Anti-Christ, since Ufologists tend to view the CIA MX> as "the enemy" (g). Actually I enjoyed the call and found MX> Mr. Pandolfi has a sharp sense of humor. MX> Mr. Pandolfi is a friend of John Alexander and I know MX> this from a previous call to him MX> I did manage to get ahold of Victoria Lacas-Alexander, MX> John Alexander's wife in a phone call and had a lengthy MX> chat with her and although she did know the Victorian MX> article was out, was not aware that it was being sent out MX> over the computer networks at this time. MX> Some time later, I receive a phone call from Mr. MX> Alexander himself, who was at work at Los Alamos. MX> I asked Mr. Alexander if he would make available the MX> newspaper articles he has on Armen Victorian and he faxed MX> them to my work place. I will be posting these in a MX> separate message, plus I talked with Mr. Alexander about MX> his work in the Non-Lethal area and he also faxed an MX> article about that too, which I will scan and make MX> available. MX> My own personal feeling is that Mr. Alexander was getting MX> the short end of the stick in the Victorian article MX> You have to realize when you talk to people like Pandolfi MX> and Alexander that they are very limited to what they can MX> say because of security restrictions and oaths they must MX> adhere to. None of what Pandolfi or Alexander expressed MX> to me in phone discussion is to be construed as MX> representative of their respective employers, and is MX> their own opinions only as stated. None of what was MX> expressed to me was in any manner "classified" MX> information. MX> The whole reason behind these calls is because there is MX> always two sides to a story and I'm interested to find MX> out what the other side is. That certainly seems fair enough, and if Pandolphi and Alexander would speak to me on the phone, or return my calls, then who knows? Maybe I would call to get their rebuttals to this article! Maybe I would pump 'em for info about UFO's to release to the nets, instead of allowing them to pick my bird-brain about what is being said about UFO's on the nets, and harrassing I_UFO because the Aviary DOES NOT CONTROL I_UFO. Guess he could not stop himself from boasting about his "connections". But notice how Mr. X has connections with these people in CIA and Aviary, and these people consider him important enough to talk with him, take reports about net activity from him, call him back, and fax material to be posted to the nets by him. Still think I am paranoid, eh? hmmmmmm....... Look at our situation with I_UFO like this: Here you have just another echo that was boned for talk about UFOs. Here you have a close knit and inter-communicative group of individuals that seem to make their life's mission, REMOVING I_UFO from Fidonet. Notice their goals are ALWAYS to remove me as Moderator, remove the echo, or discourage participation so that the echo will be removed for inactivity. They repeat their goals, publicly, often. Let me ask you this: If there were a real problem with the echo, or it's moderation, then why is the echo so SUCCESSFUL? Uh huh. You see, the problem is the IDEOLOGY that is ALLOWED expression in I_UFO. Their goals belie that they want to stop the CONTENT of I_UFO. They don't give a hoot about saving Fidonet from the what they would convince you is the worst echo of looney-toon users and moderators ever to darken the backbone of the net. Their stated arguments are too ludicrous to be believed! Their goals, however, tell the true story. They collude and hatch plans - they have one hatching now. The recent discussions about a so-called "Echo-review-board" is right up their alley as a tool to be used to finally destroy I_UFO. I ain't kidding. They have already put out feelers to see if they can drum up support, to at least remove me as moderator. They will stop at nothing; even to try to interrupt echomail traffic, if they could. We just had a sudden and marked drop off of postings in I_UFO. We had to put a call out to the boards, and PUSH/PULL the lines of communication OPEN again. uh hum. Just to show you their REAL influence over hapless readers of Fidonet echos, I will show you a comment by a user who was recently BANNED from our I_UFO echo, by me. He was banned for a message he posted, not in I_UFO, but in UFO, asking people to "dump messages" into I_UFO from the internet mailing list, in order to make the moderators take a fit. I guess after publicly promoting such annoying behavior, he thinks he should continue to be welcomed with open arms, to post in the very echo he wishes to destroy? NOT! So, here, look at his most recent comment where he is either working together with Mr. X, or is hopelessly brainwashed by Mr. X's propaganda: -------------------------------------------------------- Date: 09-22-95 (00:00) Number: 90097 of 90367 To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subj: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Conf: UFO-F Well, I have now been asked to not post on I_UFO because of posts here. Now, seeing that FidoNet has stated that this shouldn't be allowed what do you think *I* should do? If I were the disruptive person I have been accused of I would appeal my banning and go to have I_UFO de-backboned for all of the same violations done to many here in this echo but, I won't. I'm not that kind of person and, sadly, it isn't even nessasary. I-ufo is dying on the vine right now due to this kind of actions. When a person takes the care to NOT post disruptive remarks within an echo and only agrees outside of the echo about the oppressive moderatorship of that echo but, still gets banned, there is no longer any room to question whether what we hear is right or wrong. All that is left is to watch as yet another area of UFO debate goes down the tubes.... --------------------------------------------------------- He has swallowed Mr. X's propaganda completely. It has been drummed into his mind that the moderatorship on I_UFO is oppressive, because the psyop-birds that we banned are still whining in UFO. Notice, how he is convinced now that "what we hear is right". What he hears, in UFO, is the mind-control swill of Mr. X and his buddies. What he does not realize, is that his believing their propagandist lies, and his promoting them, is why he is personna non-grata in I_UFO. His repeating the same lies, helps to continue the cult brainwashing of other people in UFO. He buys their goals and tactics. He wants I_UFO de-backboned. He wants the activity in I_UFO to dwindle so that the echo would be de-backboned. He is so brainwashed, that he says I_UFO is dying on the vine, when I_UFO is active with many postings, and well received! He is even convinced that I_UFO will go down the tubes. I mean look. I cannot, in good conscience, see him post in I_UFO while he continues to call for I_UFO's destruction, and hurts other people because he is not seeing what Mr. X is doing to readers there. He does not bother to get himself informed about Fidonet policy. Instead he believes that he and others there, are victims of moderating violations. My moderating. See, how the psy-operation works? They are USING this man, and he does not even know it. See how it works? He got himself banned from my echo, because he believed their psi-crap. In other words, the operation feeds on itself and produces more people to promote their propaganda and exclude themselves from I_UFO. Neat trick, eh? What am I supposed to do? What can I do? Until fidonet readers wake up, they will not realize that their discussions are STEERED in some certain areas. To quote my previous article: GS> This situation is more than echo-politics, or GS> echo-rivalries, or even ego-wars. These people are sick! GS> They work feverishly to persuade anyone who will believe GS> them, not to read the I_UFO echo. Well, that begs the GS> same ole question; WHY? Well, I have one idea. We have a GS> lot of cutting-edge information in the I_UFO echo. These GS> people act like censors, in that they do not want GS> net-users to see anything that would disagree with their GS> view of reality. I told ya, it is like a religion with GS> them. All I and anyone who uses I_UFO, want, is to be GS> left alone. It is just a message echo, for Pete's Sake! GS> Grow Up! GS> You can't control all the Science and UFO information in GS> FidoNet! Nor Politics and Religion! Well enough of them and their nonsense, whoever they work for. Let me tell you the GOOD news, and about the newborn! After 14 months of battling the afore-mentioned net censors, I_UFO finally was able to settle into becoming the echo that was intended. Friendly atmosphere. No ridicule. People sharing unusual UFO experiences. Pleasant chatter about sub-topics. I_UFO has a family atmosphere now. And then we EXPANDED! We added our i_ufo-l Internet Mailing List to I_UFO. The mailing list added about 100 great folks who came over from our other mailing list. We have some of the heavy hitters on the internet in I_UFO now, to share information and discuss issues with the Fido crowd. Despite the Aviary-type concerted effort, we prevailed because we did not ignore what was really being attempted against us, and we stayed to our intended course. So, if you see Mr. X running around the echos, losing his feathers about Glenda's moderating, and Glenda's UFO views, you will have seen the BIRD-BRAIN, in action. And now for the birth announcement. Oh, you know it is about another echo that has just been born onto the Fidonet backbone. Yup. We have now moved our popular and successful snet-l mailing list into a fidonet echo called SNETNEWS. Topics for discussion are politics, New World Order, conspiracies, coverups, militias, patriot groups, intelligence agencies, mind control technologies, etc. etc. I did my homework, this echo IS DIFFERENT from others on fidonet that cover these topics. Again, staying true to the form established by I_UFO, SNETNEWS has all the OTHER information, not allowed by the net-censors and echo-DOMINATORS who use ridicule, flames and "everybody knows that...." messages, to shut up dissenting voices. Ask your feed or sysop for SNETNEWS! The echo is already active with over 150 subscribers posting information, news, editorials, and insightful commentary. And, what about those Fidonet-aviary-wanna-be's? Oh, they are welcome in SNETNEWS too. Why not? SNETNEWS is for everyone. Will their behavior in SNETNEWS prove my suspicions true? We shall see, will we not? So, send a message to the Aviary about I_UFO and SNETNEWS, In the immortal words of The Hammer: C A N ' T T O U C H T H I S !!! I hope you find my article informative, humorous, and thought-provoking. (consider re-reading it) ;)
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