Tony De Luca, replying to LO10592, quoted my comment and then asked --
>> My definition of a vision: Something you can see which is not there.
>
>> For me, this covers the sacred and the profane.
>
>How would you define MIRAGE? Do think that there is a difference between
>mirage and vision?
Yes, I do think there is a difference between mirage and vision (although
it wouldn't be unusual for a language to have two words with exactly the
same meaning, or very close in meaning with only very slight
differentiation, especially if those words were adopted from two other,
distinct languages).
It's a distinction I make for myself, which is of course that a "mirage"
IS there. A mirage is a physical effect of heat. If, when we experience
a mirage, we see something that is not there, then that - for me - would
qualify as a vision. Thus, seeing an oasis in the desert, or a roadway
looming up in the distance (common mirage experiences) would qualify - for
me - as having a vision.
After an interesting and valuable presentation of his own interpretation
of the issue, Tony quotes me again, and comments:
>> I really don't care much what people label as visions, as long as they
>>don't mess with mine.
>
>In my opinion the words that we chose to utter are not ours they belong to
>the receptor.
I disagree.
This could be a very lengthy discussion - some of which has already taken
place in this space, and includes a couple of my own contributions - but
the simplest way for me to state my "position" is to ask the question:
When I stumble over a stone in the forest while on a ramble during my
vision quest, and I yell "Ouch!", who owns my exclamation?
--Jack Hirschfeld All the lonely people, where do they come from? jack@his.com All the lonely people, where do they belong?
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